From hungary-online-owner  Wed Mar  8 02:08:37 1995
Return-Path: owner-Hungary-Online
Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord)
	by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id CAA27215 
	for hungary-online-out31415; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:08:37 -0800
Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord)
	by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id CAA27208 
	for hungary-online; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:08:24 -0800
Received: via =-=-=-=-= from ddt@lsd.com for hol@hungary.yak.net (hungary-online)
Received: from netcom23.netcom.com (root@netcom23.netcom.com [192.100.81.137]) (fnord)
	by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA27141 
	for <hol@hungary.yak.net>; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:07:36 -0800
Received: from [192.187.167.52] by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom)
	id CAA27231; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:07:02 -0800
Message-Id: <v03001a2aab8320fc762f@[192.187.167.52]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
X-Sender: Level Seven Design
X-PGP-KeyID-Fprnt: 4AAF00E5 - 30D81F3484E6A83F  6EC8D7F0CAB3D265
X-PGP-KeyLocation: ftp.netcom.com:/pub/dd/ddt/crypto/ddtPGPkey.txt
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:09:59 -0800
To: hol@hungary.yak.net
From: Dave Del Torto <ddt@lsd.com>
Subject: (HOL) hackers vs crackers: let's make the distinction
Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net

At 12:02 PM 3/6/95, Steven Carlson wrote:
>I hate the term "hacker". It's become such a media buzzword.

Me too, especially when it's misused. There's such a rash of semantic chaos
out there, and so little sense to it all. A small voice of reason and fact:

>For the record: a hacker is a talented person who attacks a technical
>problem persisently and creatively until he finds a solution.

I agree. This is a good generaic description.

>The hacker creed lacks any other ethic. [...]

Lack any other ethic? This doesn't sound like the same Steve Carlson
talking...it's a really gross generalization to make.

Hackers in fact have a very strong Ethic, including the desire that
Information should be free to All, that systems exist to serve People and
not the other way around and that open systems architecture is better than
closed (among other important guidelines).

When people talk about engineers lacking ethics, they're talking about
"crackers." Those are the vandals and criminals of the Internet, as defined
by the net.community people themselves. Very few people (journalists being
the most egregiously misinformers among the populace) understand this
distinction, but it's clear to the people involved. Anyone who calls a hack
as cracker is making a bad mistake. Crackers are terrorists, unconcerned
with the ethical implications of breaking into systems and altering or
stealing data, whereas hackers would never conscience such acts of
vandalism. Mitnick is clearly a sociopathic cracker. Anyone who's a real
hacker does his/her best to distance him/herself from Little Kevin's brand
of puerile delinqency (not to mention stupidity - the guy practically left
a trail of bread crumbs for anyone smart enough to see them). Fortunately,
he'll be going away for a long, long time. By the time he gets another
computer in his hands (unless the Mafia sets him up in prison), he'll be so
far behind the times, as to be an inconsequential threat. I hope.

I strongly recommend that people who want to understand the Hacker Ethic
better go out and read the excellent book entitled "Hackers" by Steven
Levy.

>There are bad hackers, and there are bad businessmen.

Well, that's for dang sure, but let's not confuse people by referring to
what are really crackers as "bad hackers." I hope I've helped to put the
matter straight: it's not easy with major newspapers getting it wrong on
the front page every day.

   dave



#############
#  This message to Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net
#     was from Dave Del Torto <ddt@lsd.com>
#
#  To unsubscribe,
#     send "unsubscribe" to <Hungary-Online-request@hungary.yak.net>
#  An announcement-only subscription (less volume) is available
#     at <Hungary-Online-announce-request@hungary.yak.net>
#  Send mail to <majordomo@hungary.yak.net> for more information,
#     or to <human@hungary.yak.net> if you need human assistance.
#############

