From hungary-online-owner Wed Mar 8 20:44:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-Hungary-Online Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA08964 for hungary-online-out31415; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:44:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA08958 for hungary-online; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:44:05 -0800 Received: via =-=-=-=-= from strick@gwarn.versant.com for hungary-online@hungary.yak.net (hungary-online) Received: from gwarn.versant.com (gwarn.versant.com [192.70.173.14]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA08891 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:43:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (strick@localhost) by gwarn.versant.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA03443 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:43:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199503090443.UAA03443@gwarn.versant.com> To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Subject: (HOL) Not. Markoff sucks ! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 1995 15:31:57 +0100." Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 20:43:25 -0800 From: strick -- henry strickland Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net THUS SPAKE Tamas Bodoky : # # states. In my opinion these articles are worst than late communist # Nepszabadsag was in the '80ties. hmmm. I think John Markov is really pretty good, as mainstream newspaper/magazine journaliasts on this beat go. # For futher info on Markoff's "objectivity" check this out : The article is by Emmanuel Goldstein, editor of 2600 magazine. There are kind of rival gangs here. Goldstein is a leading figure in the Computer Underground, one group with claim to the word "hacker". Goldstein's connections are closer with groups like MOD ("masters of destruction", Phiber Optic's gang) than with the next set of hackers. They probably only meet at conferences like Computers, Freedom, and Privacy (CFP). Markov is from the group I identified with Steven Levy's book Hackers, and Glenn Tenney's Hackers Conference, which was an outgrowth of the book. Well, Markov is not a leader in that group the way Goldstein is in his, but he is an invited guest at the Hackers Conference -- one of the few journalists they trust to attend. And he was on the Cypherpunks mailing list until the volume got too much for him. BTW, Cypherpunks have intersecetion with these hackers, which is where I come in. Anyway, Markov know Tsutomu Shimomura from the hackers conference, and he knew Mitnick, from being hacked, so that really puts him in a position of really understanding the Mitnick situation better than most. So I think of Goldstein and Markov as rival publishsers, and neither of them are perfect. I haven't read Markov's book, so I can't speak on it. But I like Markov's current writing in the NYT. I recognize that he has his limitations in that forum. And he certainly doesn't write from the point of view that I did in my last two postings here on this topic. But I wouldn't say Markov sucks. Far from it, compared to most journalists writing about this stuff. strick (sorry to be posting so much about this, which is not really about Hungary, but it is about Steve's column. i'll try to ease out of it now...) ############# # This message to Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net # was from strick -- henry strickland # # To unsubscribe, # send "unsubscribe" to # An announcement-only subscription (less volume) is available # at # Send mail to for more information, # or to if you need human assistance. #############