From hungary-online-owner Thu Mar 9 14:03:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-Hungary-Online Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA20908 for hungary-online-out31415; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:03:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA20902 for hungary-online; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:03:31 -0800 Received: via =-=-=-=-= from gabor@sbei.com for hungary-online@hungary.yak.net (hungary-online) Received: from sbei.com (ftp.sbei.com [198.93.144.3]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA20673 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:00:37 -0800 Received: from sbe1.sbei.com by sbei.com (Internet Gateway) (4.1/SMI-5.2.3) id AA06762; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:02:05 PST Received: from sbe1034.sbe by sbe1.sbei.com (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA09695; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:00:53 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:00:53 PST From: gabor@sbei.com (Gabor Fencsik) Message-Id: <9503092200.AA09695@sbe1.sbei.com> To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Subject: Re: (HOL) Yes. Markoff sucks. Cc: gabor@sbe1 Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Tamas Bodoky jr. writes, in re Mitnick v. Shimomura: > Markoff creates a new myth of good and evil forces, that never existed, > to sell it out to Hollywood. He is fabricating the myth of the shadowy > dark hackers vs. the jedis of data security, in a pathetic way the old > socialist regime spoke about the "counter-revolutionares hiding in the > dark". Far be it from me to sound like a mouthpiece of the old socialist regime, but let me ask anyway: what do you consider an appropriate description of what Mitnick has been doing? In particular, what do you think of activities such as password cracking, IP address spoofing, stealing files from other people's machines, grabbing credit card information from public access systems, and the like? Even if you find Markoff's language too hyperbolical for your taste, do you consider Mitnick's and Shimomura's activities morally equivalent? Or can you detect any difference? Just wondering... ----- Gabor Fencsik gabor@sbei.com ############# # This message to Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net # was from gabor@sbei.com (Gabor Fencsik) # # To unsubscribe, # send "unsubscribe" to # An announcement-only subscription (less volume) is available # at # Send mail to for more information, # or to if you need human assistance. #############