From hungary-online-owner Thu Mar 9 14:33:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-Hungary-Online Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA21244 for hungary-online-out31415; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:33:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA21238 for hungary-online; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:33:17 -0800 Received: via =-=-=-=-= from strick@gwarn.versant.com for hungary-online@hungary.yak.net (hungary-online) Received: from gwarn.versant.com (gwarn.versant.com [192.70.173.14]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21172 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:32:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (strick@localhost) by gwarn.versant.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04895 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:32:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199503092232.OAA04895@gwarn.versant.com> To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Subject: Re: (HOL) Yes. Markoff sucks. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 1995 14:00:53 PST." <9503092200.AA09695@sbe1.sbei.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 14:32:33 -0800 From: strick -- henry strickland Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net THUS SPAKE gabor@sbei.com (Gabor Fencsik): # Even if you find Markoff's # language too hyperbolical for your taste, do you consider Mitnick's # and Shimomura's activities morally equivalent? Or can you detect # any difference? Just wondering... Personally, I certainly see the moral differnece, and I don't mind Mitnick being charged with a crime, and convicted. If he repeated broke into yak.net, I'd certainly feel the same. But my bottom lines were -- if he's so bad, why can't he be charged with Doing A Bad Thing, instead of an "U S interstate network + criminal intent" thought crime. A crime past, instead of the possibility of a crime future. -- 20 years is disproportionate to the sentances commonly given people in the U S that do other Actual Bad Things that I enumerated -- even if Mitnick is scum and guilty as hell of actual bad things, this sets precedent in the public view for others young hitech type people to be convicted to many years for thought crimes, with only hype as evidence Thinking more about it, how did Shimomura learn to track down cellular phone calls, without vioilating exactly the same law? Listening to cellular phone frequencies has been a crime in the U S for a couple of years now. And Shimomura must have done it at least once recently, before teaching the cops how to do it. And it's almost impossible to escape the "interstate commerce" loopholes nowadays. This is not a proper way of distributing justice. strick ############# # This message to Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net # was from strick -- henry strickland # # To unsubscribe, # send "unsubscribe" to # An announcement-only subscription (less volume) is available # at # Send mail to for more information, # or to if you need human assistance. #############