From hungary-online-owner Thu Mar 9 17:15:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-Hungary-Online Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA23079 for hungary-online-out31415; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:15:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA23073 for hungary-online; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:15:04 -0800 Received: via =-=-=-=-= from bodoky@hubi.abc.hu for hungary-online@hungary.yak.net (hungary-online) Received: from AGBICE.ABC.HU (agbice.abc.hu [192.146.134.1]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA23007 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:14:04 -0800 Received: from hubi.abc.hu by AGBICE.ABC.HU (MX V3.1) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:07:20 EST Received: by hubi.abc.hu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA23753; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:18:13 --100 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:13:15 +0100 (MET) From: Tamas Bodoky Subject: (HOL) Re : moral considerations To: hungary online Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2894 Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Gabor Fencsik wrote : > Far be it from me to sound like a mouthpiece of the old socialist regime, > but let me ask anyway: what do you consider an appropriate description > of what Mitnick has been doing? In particular, what do you think of > activities such as password cracking, IP address spoofing, stealing > of what Mitnick has been doing? In particular, what do you think of > activities such as password cracking, IP address spoofing, stealing > files from other people's machines, grabbing credit card information > from public access systems, and the like? Even if you find Markoff's > language too hyperbolical for your taste, do you consider Mitnick's > and Shimomura's activities morally equivalent? Or can you detect > any difference? Just wondering... Well, I did not evaluate either Mitnick or Shimomura at all. I did not let you know my opinion, let me ask you how did you came to the idea that i prefer Mitnick ? Actually i am able to detect the difference, but don't even try to decide who is morally unacceptable. I accept morally that Shimomura catched someone who violated his privacy. I accept morally Mitnick's Don Quijote fight for the illusion of freedom. I don't accept morally John Markoff's subjective, sensationalist articles, and think that either he was emotionally affected or much more likely he knew which interpretation will bring him maximum credit... In answer to your question, an appropriate description would not surf the overall mistification of the net, would not describe Shimomura as the Knight of the Holy Grail, Mitnick as the Dark Force inside our global village, and all this theatrical, pathetic shit a'la Hollywood. Instead, it would point out that there are lot of hackers working like Kevin, and making money silently instead of raising the public avareness on security problems of the net. It would point out that the message of the case is that we should pay attention of the information we let just go on the net, an that the greatest danger is neither Kevin nor his colleagues, but the net itself soon permitting Big Brother to watch us just too easy. Something that Kevin tried to tell us, not Shimomura. Virtually, tamas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tamas Bodoky jr. Agricultural Biotechnology Center Institute for Molecular Genetics e-mail: bodoky@hubi.abc.hu Godollo, p.o.box 411 voice: +36-28330600 / 202 Hungary 2101 http://www.abc.hu/ DON'T PANIC ! - The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ############# # This message to Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net # was from Tamas Bodoky # # To unsubscribe, # send "unsubscribe" to # An announcement-only subscription (less volume) is available # at # Send mail to for more information, # or to if you need human assistance. #############