From hungary-online-owner Thu Mar 9 17:47:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-Hungary-Online Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA23425 for hungary-online-out31415; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:47:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA23413 for hungary-online; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:46:53 -0800 Received: via =-=-=-=-= from fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu for hungary-online@hungary.yak.net (hungary-online) Received: from bcuxs2.bc.edu (bcuxs2.bc.edu [136.167.15.3]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA23344 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:45:59 -0800 Received: by bcuxs2.bc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17917; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:48:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:48:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Subject: (HOL) soc.culture.hungarian Usenet proposal Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net I'd like to announce here my proposal made to create the Usenet newsgroup soc.culture.hungarian (and renaming soc.culture.magyar to it). I don't know, how many list suscribers are aware of what Usenet is - domestic connectivity being dismal as far as I know ;-<. In any case some of you may want to see what is going on in the debate over my proposed newsgroup creation/renaming, and I hope to see many participants! In case you have email-only connection, you can still access Usenet: check out the HIX SENDDOC archive (email help@hix.com to learn how to use that) for the file new/Usenet_email_utjan to get you started (it is an introductory document written mostly in English, contrary what its name may suggest ;-)). Below here I include my draft for a forthcoming second Request for Discussion - if you want to see the original, as appeared at the official start of the debate, you'll find that in the above-mentioned archive, too. Note that the Request For Discussion period for creating the newsgroup soc.culture.hungarian is has started on March 8 on news.groups and s.c.magyar. Below in this .plan I'll post updates to the suggested charter of the new group. Please follow the debate in news.groups if you can, and don't forget to send in your vote after the Call For Votes, due to be issued in 3-4 weeks. The first RFD could be found, with a Hungarian intro in the HIX SENDDOC archive: ' finger senddoc/new/soc.culture.hungarian_Proposal-1@hix.mit.edu '. Draft second RFD ================ Newsgroup : soc.culture.hungarian Status : unmoderated Distribution : worldwide Summary : The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture. Proponent : Zoli Fekete This is the second, modified formal request for discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, soc.culture.hungarian This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. It is being posted to the following relevant newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.magyar, soc.culture.europe The RFD (and the Call for Votes) may be posted to related mailing lists. Discussion will take place in news.groups only (as required by the group creation guidelines). Please post follow-ups to news.groups only. The discussion period will last for 3 to 4 weeks from Mar 8, the date the first RFD appeared. Do not vote now! Now is not the time for voting. Now is the time for discussion. This is the second call for discussion on the creation of the newsgroup soc.culture.hungarian. Since there has been some discontent during the preliminary discussion in the group s.c.magyar as to whether the latter should be renamed or a separate new group be created, I leave this option open till the second RFD. Rationale: there is obviously great need for a newsgroup dealing with the issues outlined below in the chapter, and soc.culture.magyar has been such for the past four years. The name of that group, however, does not conform to the established Usenet conventions; it is also somewhat misleading, given that its traffic is mostly in English, contrary to what the native language name may suggest. Experience has shown surprisingly small audience, few authors and low traffic for that group. This suggests that many people are unaware of its existence. It appears that only perhaps a few hundred users are reading the newsgroup - to be compared with the several thousand subscribers to the Hungarian email lists (which, in turn, serve still only a small portion of Hungarians worldwide). In the view of this proposer, it is necessary to create the newsgroup with an English name: soc.culture.hungarian. The standardized name should help more patrons locate the group, furthering its goal to provide a global link for all people interested in Hungarian affairs. I think it would be preferable for this group to supersede the existing s.c.magyar rather than to have both. There is, however, some strong sentiment for keeping the established group as well, so the issue has to be worked out during this discussion. The decision to be put up for vote will be included in a finished RFD I plan to post in about ten days. During this time I continue conducting a straw poll on the renaming - please email me your unambiguous choice to be included in that tally! Suggested charter: The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide a general medium for those interested to express, share, and exchange their views, ideas, and feelings about Hungary and Hungarian culture. Questions concerning Hungarians living either in the country or abroad would be discussed. Possible discussion issues include aspects of Hungary - culture, history, philosophy, ideology, geography; - societies, traditions, customs; - literature, poetry, art, folklore; - languages, books; - science, technology; - food, cooking; - local events, news, programs, economy; - communities abroad, problems, needs; and - other things normally discussed in the "soc.culture" newsgroups, notably, politics is an appropriate topic. The group shall be unmoderated. The language used is either English or Hungarian, by the choice of poster. Posters should bear in mind that using English makes their writing accessible to non-Hungarians as well as most Hungarian Usenetters who tend to understand (or at least able to read) English. Hungarian writers are encouraged to use their native tongue when the topic is likely to be of interest to Hungarian speakers only (such as questions regarding local communities or things of domestic significance). It is recommended that authors of substantially long contributions include a short summary in the other language, if they can. Keep in mind that using Hungarian will unavoidably cut almost all non-Hungarians out of the discussion! If you do so, please be courteous enough to use appropriate Subject:, and Summary: or Keyword: field designations to aid readers in selecting articles prior to reading them. Note that articles are often crossposted to other groups as well (usually ones concerning neighboring countries), in which case English should be used. === This RFD complies with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines set in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup". Please refer to this document if you have questions about the process. The files can be found at ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/creating-newsgroups/. 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