From hungary-online-owner Fri Mar 10 09:20:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-Hungary-Online Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA02194 for hungary-online-out31415; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:20:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA02180 for hungary-online; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:19:52 -0800 Received: via =-=-=-=-= from 100263.15@compuserve.com for hol@hungary.yak.net (hungary-online) Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com (arl-img-4.compuserve.com [198.4.7.4]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA02050 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:18:07 -0800 Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.941228sam) id MAA29609; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:17:32 -0500 Date: 10 Mar 95 12:15:55 EST From: "Rick E. Bruner" <100263.15@compuserve.com> To: Hungary-Online Subject: (HOL) Where is Transylvania? Message-ID: <950310171555_100263.15_EHQ65-7@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net And here's something else I thought you all might be interested in. In case any of you are only latent CompuServants and haven't picked up on their hype, they've opened a "Hungary" section of the Europe Forum (EURFORUM). There's some lively discussion in there, lots of US-Magyar emigres questioning whether it's a good time to move back to the old country, tourist questions, students, etc. I'd recommend anyone with a CI$ account check it out. There is similarly an Eastern Europe section of the same forum. Truly bizzaro. Lots of languages and queries about ridiculous place names. Here are excerpts from two recent threads I thought you'd all enjoy. I belive both threads may still be alive, if anyone wants to join in the discussion. Cheers, Rick -------------------------------------- Message: #165755, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Fri, Mar 3, 1995 7:35:25 PM Subject: Stankovian From: Theodore W. Greene 73044,1171 To: All Reply: #166029 (1 reply) I am trying to locate the town from which my great grandparents came from and I need some help. The town is named Stankovian. When they left in 1912, it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Since that time, as you all are aware, there have been two major world wars and countless political boarder changes. I am at my wits end. I do not know where to look for this town. Do I look in Austria, Hungary, Poland, Chech Republic, Slovakia, Romania or do I just give up? If anyone has any information of the location of Stankovian or a map on which I may find it, I would be most greatful. T. Greene Message: #166029, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Sat, Mar 4, 1995 6:03:01 PM Subject: #165755-Stankovian From: Stan Kocimski 72640,400 To: Theodore W. Greene 73044,1171 Theo, The name of Stankovian sounds definitely Slavic, although I have doubts about its correct spelling. It just doesn't look like a proper name. Look in Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and don't forget the Ukraine. The western part of Ukraine used to be a part of Galitzia, or former Poland (pre 1795). It is also possible that it was in Serbia, Slovenia or part of Croatia. Old maps or ecyclopaedias may help. Sorry, but myself I have no more information. Regards, Stan ----------------------------------------- Message: #165789, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Fri, Mar 3, 1995 10:22:24 PM Subject: Where's Transylvania? From: Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 To: ALL Reply: #165835 (3 replies) No Dracula jokes please. This is a serious question.(Vlad jokes, ok) I know this is a real place but where precisely IS Transylvania? I'm in Germany and have an interest in actually going to this place if possible but I need the name and location of a city or two. Best of all would be the location of Vlad's castle if such exists. I know in a general sense where it is, definitely know where it's not but not enough to get a train ticket to...where? ANd I do know a bit of the history also. Thanks, Tom Message: #165835, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Fri, Mar 3, 1995 11:45:06 PM Subject: #165789-Where's Transylvania? From: Matthew Cope 74632,3161 To: Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 (received) Reply: #165911 (1 reply) Thomas: Transylvania, region, central Romania, before 1918 a part of Austria-Hungary. The region is an elevated plateau entirely surrounded by the Transylvanian Alps, a range of the Carpathian Mountains. The mountains curve around the region like a wall and in various places spread over the land. The chief rivers are tributaries of the Tisza. The terrain is suitable for growing fruits, cereal grains, and sugar beets. Wine is also produced, and livestock is raised. Transylvania is rich in minerals, including gold, silver, salt, and coal. Part of the Roman province of Dacia, the region became part of the kingdom of Hungary in 1003. In 1526, after the defeat of Hungary by the Turks, Transylvania became a separate principality under the protection of the Turkish sultan. Austria, which had previously claimed Transylvania, obtained (1699) possession of the region by the Treaty of Karlowitz, which concluded war between Austria and Turkey. In 1765 the region was made a grand principality of Austria and in 1849 an Austrian crown land, but it was reunited with the Hungarian Kingdom in 1866 upon the formation of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary. Transylvania became a part of Romania in December 1918 following World War I. Hungary persisted in claiming the area because of its large population of Magyars, who form the major ethnic group in Hungary. In 1940, during World War II, by the Italo-German award of August 30, the northern part of Transylvania, including 44,030 sq km (17,000 sq mi) with a population of 2,700,000, was given to Hungary. Following the war the ceded area was returned to Romania. Area, about 62,160 sq km (about 24,000 sq mi). "Transylvania," Microsoft ~ Encarta. Copyright ~ 1994 Microsoft Corporation. Copyright ~ 1994 Funk & Wagnall's Corporation. Message: #165911, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Sat, Mar 4, 1995 9:30:21 AM Subject: #165835-Where's Transylvania? From: Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 To: Matthew Cope 74632,3161 (received) Reply: #165945 (1 reply) Thanks Matthew for that comprehensive answer. You've given me also yet another reason to include a cd-rom with my new system :-) I was ablt to immediately locate the area on my maps and got some more info from guide books. Tom Message: #165945, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Sat, Mar 4, 1995 1:02:28 PM Subject: #165911-Where's Transylvania? From: Matthew Cope 74632,3161 To: Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 (received) <> I never have diffciulties coming up with reasons that convince me I should get a new electronic gizmo. The tough part is coming up with a reason that will convince my wife... ;-) Message: #165856, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Sat, Mar 4, 1995 1:03:04 AM Subject: #165789-Where's Transylvania? From: Daniel Dejeu 76361,1577 To: Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 (received) Reply: #165912 (1 reply) Well you got the historical part from the previous answer.About Vlad's yes there is a castle near Arges(in county Arges)and there are few things to see besides that.If you really want to go,the best info would be some other Romanians,or write to internet to : Emiller@Morgan.Ucs.Mun.ca She's a teacher in canada and does a lot of research on Vlad,she can help you a lot if you're particulary interested about Vlad. DD Message: #165912, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Sat, Mar 4, 1995 9:30:22 AM Subject: #165856-Where's Transylvania? From: Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 To: Daniel Dejeu 76361,1577 (received) Thanks Daniel, Vlad is a nice focal point of reference for understanding some of the history of that region vis-a-vis the wars with the Turks etc. He makes a great excuse to see some potentially interesting areas. I just read also that the Orient Express passes through Sighisoara, birthplace of Vlad Tepes, that I was able to find virtue of Matthew's response. I truly wish I had time to take that train. Tom Message: #166305, S/16 Eastern Europe Date: Sun, Mar 5, 1995 11:57:01 AM Subject: #166085-Where's Transylvania? From: Werner Hintze 100420,416 To: Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 Thomas, >> I've long ago given up expecting any knowledge of english wherever I go<< The german people from Transylvania speak german, but the most of them leaved the country. But many romanians speak very well english or french. So you can communicate in this languages. (Romania is a european country, you are not on another planet...) You will find the most german people in Sibiu (Hermannstadt) and Brasov (Kronstadt) and in the villages in the near of this towns. But don't expect to much - they are on the way to Germany... - Werner Hintze, Germany, Berlin 100420,416 @ 05-Mar-1995, 11:11:32 Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.51 (Deutsch) ############# # This message to Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net # was from "Rick E. Bruner" <100263.15@compuserve.com> # # To unsubscribe, # send "unsubscribe" to # An announcement-only subscription (less volume) is available # at # Send mail to for more information, # or to if you need human assistance. #############