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From: "Rick E. Bruner" <100263.15@compuserve.com>
To: Hungary-Online <HOL@hungary.yak.net>
Subject: (HOL) Where is Transylvania?
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And here's something else I thought you all might be interested in. In case any
of you are only latent CompuServants and haven't picked up on their hype,
they've opened a "Hungary" section of the Europe Forum (EURFORUM). There's some
lively discussion in there, lots of US-Magyar emigres questioning whether it's a
good time to move back to the old country, tourist questions, students, etc. I'd
recommend anyone with a CI$ account check it out. 

There is similarly an Eastern Europe section of the same forum. Truly bizzaro.
Lots of languages and queries about ridiculous place names. Here are excerpts
from two recent threads I thought you'd all enjoy. I belive both threads may
still be alive, if anyone wants to join in the discussion.

Cheers,

Rick

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Message: #165755, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Fri, Mar 3, 1995 7:35:25 PM
Subject: Stankovian
From:    Theodore W. Greene 73044,1171
To:      All
Reply:   #166029 (1 reply)


I am trying to locate  the town from which my great grandparents came from
and I need some help.  The town is named Stankovian.  When they left in 1912,
it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.  Since that time, as you all are
aware, there have been two major world wars and countless political boarder
changes.  I am at my wits end.  I do not know where to look for this town. 
Do I look in Austria, Hungary, Poland, Chech Republic, Slovakia, Romania or
do I just give up?

If anyone has any information of the location of Stankovian or a map on which
I may find it, I would be most greatful.

T. Greene 


Message: #166029, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Sat, Mar 4, 1995 6:03:01 PM
Subject: #165755-Stankovian
From:    Stan Kocimski 72640,400
To:      Theodore W. Greene 73044,1171


Theo,

The name of Stankovian sounds definitely Slavic, although I have doubts about
its correct spelling.  It just doesn't look like a proper name.  Look in
Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and don't forget the Ukraine.  The western
part of Ukraine used to be a part of Galitzia, or former Poland (pre 1795). 
It is also possible that it was in Serbia, Slovenia or part of Croatia. Old
maps or ecyclopaedias may help.  Sorry, but myself I have no more
information. Regards,
Stan

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Message: #165789, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Fri, Mar 3, 1995 10:22:24 PM
Subject: Where's Transylvania?
From:    Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210
To:      ALL
Reply:   #165835 (3 replies)

No Dracula jokes please. This is a serious question.(Vlad jokes, ok)

I know this is a real place but where precisely IS Transylvania? I'm in
Germany and have an interest in actually going to this place if possible but
I need the name and location of a city or two. Best of all would be the
location of Vlad's castle if such exists. I know in a general sense where it
is, definitely know where it's not but not enough to get a train ticket
to...where? ANd I do know a bit of the history also.

Thanks,

Tom



Message: #165835, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Fri, Mar 3, 1995 11:45:06 PM
Subject: #165789-Where's Transylvania?
From:    Matthew Cope 74632,3161
To:      Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 (received)
Reply:   #165911 (1 reply)

Thomas:

Transylvania, region, central Romania, before 1918 a part of Austria-Hungary.
The region is an elevated plateau entirely surrounded by the Transylvanian
Alps, a range of the Carpathian Mountains. The mountains curve around the
region like a wall and in various places spread over the land. The chief
rivers are tributaries of the Tisza. The terrain is suitable for growing
fruits, cereal grains, and sugar beets. Wine is also produced, and livestock
is raised. Transylvania is rich in minerals, including gold, silver, salt,
and coal.

Part of the Roman province of Dacia, the region became part of the kingdom of
Hungary in 1003. In 1526, after the defeat of Hungary by the Turks,
Transylvania became a separate principality under the protection of the
Turkish sultan. Austria, which had previously claimed Transylvania, obtained
(1699) possession of the region by the Treaty of Karlowitz, which concluded
war between Austria and Turkey. In 1765 the region was made a grand
principality of Austria and in 1849 an Austrian crown land, but it was
reunited with the Hungarian Kingdom in 1866 upon the formation of the dual
monarchy of Austria-Hungary. Transylvania became a part of Romania in
December 1918 following World War I. Hungary persisted in claiming the area
because of its large population of Magyars, who form the major ethnic group
in Hungary. In 1940, during World War II, by the Italo-German award of August
30, the northern part of Transylvania, including 44,030 sq km (17,000 sq mi)
with a population of 2,700,000, was given to Hungary. Following the war the
ceded area was returned to Romania. Area, about 62,160 sq km (about 24,000 sq
mi).


"Transylvania," Microsoft ~ Encarta.  Copyright ~ 1994 Microsoft Corporation.
Copyright ~ 1994 Funk & Wagnall's Corporation.


Message: #165911, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Sat, Mar 4, 1995 9:30:21 AM
Subject: #165835-Where's Transylvania?
From:    Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210
To:      Matthew Cope 74632,3161 (received)
Reply:   #165945 (1 reply)

Thanks Matthew for that comprehensive answer. You've given me also yet
another reason to include a cd-rom with my new system :-)  I was ablt to
immediately locate the area on my maps and got some more info from guide
books.

Tom


Message: #165945, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Sat, Mar 4, 1995 1:02:28 PM
Subject: #165911-Where's Transylvania?
From:    Matthew Cope 74632,3161
To:      Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 (received)


<<You've given me also yet another reason to include a cd-rom with my new
system :-)>>

I never have diffciulties coming up with reasons that convince me I should
get a new electronic gizmo. The tough part is coming up with a reason that
will convince my wife... ;-)


Message: #165856, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Sat, Mar 4, 1995 1:03:04 AM
Subject: #165789-Where's Transylvania?
From:    Daniel Dejeu 76361,1577
To:      Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210 (received)
Reply:   #165912 (1 reply)

Well you got the historical part from the previous answer.About Vlad's yes
there is a castle near Arges(in county Arges)and there are few things to see
besides that.If you really want to go,the best info would be some other
Romanians,or write to internet to :
Emiller@Morgan.Ucs.Mun.ca
She's a teacher in canada and does a lot of research on Vlad,she can help you
a lot if you're particulary interested about Vlad.
DD


Message: #165912, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Sat, Mar 4, 1995 9:30:22 AM
Subject: #165856-Where's Transylvania?
From:    Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210
To:      Daniel Dejeu 76361,1577 (received)


Thanks Daniel, Vlad is a nice focal point of reference for understanding some
of the history of that region vis-a-vis the wars with the Turks etc. He makes
a great excuse to see some potentially interesting areas. I just read also
that the Orient Express passes through Sighisoara, birthplace of Vlad Tepes,
that I was able to find virtue of Matthew's response. I truly wish I had time
to take that train.

Tom


Message: #166305, S/16  Eastern Europe
Date:    Sun, Mar 5, 1995 11:57:01 AM
Subject: #166085-Where's Transylvania?
From:    Werner Hintze 100420,416
To:      Thomas Satterfield 73527,1210


Thomas,

 >>  I've long ago given up expecting any knowledge of english wherever I go<<

 The german people from Transylvania speak german, but the most of them
leaved the country. But many romanians speak very well english or french. So
you can communicate in this languages.
 (Romania is a european country, you are not on another planet...)
 You will find the most german people in Sibiu (Hermannstadt) and Brasov
(Kronstadt) and in the villages in the near of this towns. But don't expect
to much - they are on the way to Germany...

 - Werner Hintze, Germany, Berlin
   100420,416 @ 05-Mar-1995, 11:11:32
   Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.51 (Deutsch)


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