From hungary-online-owner Mon May 1 19:26:53 1995 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA06725 for hungary-online-announce-out31415; Mon, 1 May 1995 19:26:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA06715; Mon, 1 May 1995 19:26:39 -0700 Received: from fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for hungary-online-announce@hungary.yak.net (6713) Received: from bcuxs2.bc.edu (bcuxs2.bc.edu [136.167.15.3]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA06710 for ; Mon, 1 May 1995 19:26:29 -0700 Received: by bcuxs2.bc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA28401; Mon, 1 May 1995 22:29:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Zoli Fekete # vote for soc.culture.hungarian!" To: HUNGARY@gwuvm.gwu.edu Cc: Hungary-Online-announce@hungary.yak.net Subject: (HOL-A) CFV: soc.culture.hungarian (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-Hungary-Online-announce@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 1 May 1995 16:16:33 -0400 From: Warren Lavallee Newgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.magyar, soc.culture.europe, alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.politics.ec Subject: CFV: soc.culture.hungarian FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar) Newsgroups line: soc.culture.hungarian The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee . For questions about the proposed group contact Zoli Fekete . DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross-posted to: soc.culture.magyar soc.culture.europe alt.politics.europe.misc alt.politics.ec and EMailed to: HUNGARY@gwuvm.gwu.edu TIPP@hix.com Hungary-Online-announce@hungary.yak.net CHARTER The newsgroup is intended to provide a general medium for those interested to express, share, and exchange their views, ideas, and feelings about Hungary and Hungarian culture. Questions concerning Hungarians living either in the country or abroad would be discussed. Possible discussion issues include aspects of Hungary - culture, history, philosophy, ideology, geography; - societies, traditions, customs; - literature, poetry, art, folklore; - languages, books; - science, technology; - food, cooking; - local events, news, programs, economy; - communities abroad, problems, needs; and - other things normally discussed in the "soc.culture" newsgroups, in particular, politics is an appropriate topic. The group shall be unmoderated. The language used is either English or Hungarian, by the choice of the poster. Posters should bear in mind that using English makes their writing accessible to non-Hungarians as well as most Hungarian Usenetters, who tend to understand (or are, at least, able to read) English. Hungarian writers are encouraged to use their native tongue when the topic is likely to be of interest to Hungarian speakers only (such as questions regarding local communities or things of domestic significance). It is recommended that authors of substantially long contributions include a short summary in the other language, if they can. Keep in mind that using Hungarian will unavoidably cut almost all non-Hungarians out of the discussion! On the other hand, this ought not to prevent having threads running in Hungarian, if there is interest for such. Many newsreaders can utilize "Summary:" or "Keywords:" field designations to aid readers in selecting articles prior to reading them, this could be used to indicate the language used in the article. Generally it is a good idea to use "Subject:" titles in the language corresponding to the rest of the post, too! Note that articles are often crossposted to other groups as well (usually ones concerning neighboring countries), in which case English should be used. RATIONALE Currently no Usenet newsgroup bears 'hungarian' in its name. This omission makes it difficult to locate the newsgroup dealing with such interests (the bit.listserv.hungary gatewayed group is not in the main hierarchies, and suffers from very poor propagation). There is obviously a great need for a newsgroup dealing with the issues outlined above in the charter, and soc.culture.magyar has been such for the past four years. The name of that group, however, does not conform to the established Usenet conventions; it is also somewhat misleading, given that its traffic is mostly in English, contrary to what the native language name may suggest. Experience has shown relatively small audience, few authors and low traffic for that group. This suggests that many people are unaware of its existence - indeed there is anecdotal evidence for many persons, even Hungarian speakers, missing s.c.m because of its irregular name. It appears that only perhaps a few hundred users are reading the newsgroup - to be compared with the several thousand subscribers to the Hungarian email lists (which, in turn, serve still only a small portion of Hungarians worldwide). In the view of the proponent, it is necessary to create a newsgroup with an English name: soc.culture.hungarian. The standardized name should help more patrons locate the group, furthering its goal to provide a global link for all people interested in Hungarian affairs. The creation of the new group would also enable us to write a new charter, thus to eliminate the restriction imposed in the s.c.magyar charter for English only discussion language. I suggest that the existing s.c.m should be superseded by the new group. Not keeping the former would prevent the confusion of having two similar groups with different names. The option of one single group was preferred by the majority of participants in the debate prior the CFV. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@Syra.NET Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements. DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE. I vote YES on soc.culture.hungarian I vote NO on soc.culture.hungarian I vote ABSTAIN on soc.culture.hungarian I CANCEL my vote on soc.culture.hungarian Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.) Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published. The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot. There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES. ############# # This message to Hungary-Online-announce@hungary.yak.net # was from "Zoli Fekete # vote for soc.culture.hungarian!" # # To unsubscribe, # send "unsubscribe" to # For a full subscription (rather than this announcement-only subscription) # mail "subscribe" to # Send mail to for more information, # or to if you need human assistance. #############