From hungary-online-owner Tue Nov 21 19:18:52 1995 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA21844 for hungary-online-out31415; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:18:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) (fnord) by nando.yak.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA21835; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:18:40 -0800 From: hollosi@wwlink.com Received: from hollosi@wwlink.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for hungary-online@hungary.yak.net (21833) Received: from moon.wwlink.com (moon.wwlink.com [204.242.58.11]) (fnord) by nando (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA21830 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:18:22 -0800 Received: from hungary.com (hollosi.superlink.net [204.249.107.112]) by moon.wwlink.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA16249; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:11:41 -0500 Received: by hungary.com id AA00347 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:23:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199511220323.AA00347@hungary.com> Subject: Re: (HOL) Re: (HOL-A) give me a list To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:23:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: hollosi@moon.wwlink.com (Jozsef Hollosi) In-Reply-To: from "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" at Nov 21, 95 01:51:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2061 Sender: owner-Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net Zoli Fekete wrote: > > Nice piece, Steven! Let me add just a little - in light of the recent > explosion of unethical net-abuse (scattershot bulk posts, excessive > multiposting and the like), it can't be emphasized enough: off-topic > marketing drivel agressively bulshitted all over the place is not only > getting deleted, but destroys much of the hoped for costumer basis (not to > mention generating enormous ill will against the bad-faith list > targeters). Well, I wish it were so simple! I usually get around 200 important messages a day, so I can handle a few idiot ones easily, but recently I started to notice that the volume is slowly increasing. Although I agree 100% with you, I think your argument will not stop (will not even slow down :-)) many people out there counting on the immediate attention they create with bulk postings. When money starts to play, people forget good manners very easily. After all, junk mail works even in the real world: in spite, that most people trash junk mail without opening it, I am sure there is a good return on it, otherwise the practice would have stopped a long time ago. Now add to this, that junk mail on the Internet is basically free, and you get the point. Even if you could convince most of the reasonable companies not to do it, there will be a steady flow of greedy newcomers: they have no reputation to lose, they have no real chance to succeed in any business, so why not just send out a half million messages to sell a thousand T-shirts? $20,000 cashed, account closed, deal done. Next week new account, new P.O. box, and change the T-shirts to "immigration info". I wish I knew the solution, but I don't. All I know that you cannot fight with reason against unreasonable people. Regards, Jozsef ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- HIX -------------- hollosi@hix.com ------ http://hix.mit.edu/ ------ -- Hungary.Network -- hollosi@hungary.com -- http://www.hungary.com/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ############# # This message to Hungary-Online@hungary.yak.net # was from hollosi@wwlink.com # # To unsubscribe, # send "unsubscribe" to # An announcement-only subscription (less volume) is available # at # Send mail to for more information, # or to if you need human assistance. #############