*** From Macki of 2600***

well i went to Moffet Field and confronted Markoff. There is A LOT to
 tell
 and a lot happened.. It was pretty intense. The following is a rough
 transcript I wrote just now from the tape recorder I brought of my
 portion
 of the QnA session:


 First in line to ask a question, as I signed the release form I entered
 '2600 Magazine' as my company affiliation, prompting a sly look of
 approval from the person administering the release form. As I stood at
 the mic waiting to be acknowledge I unzipped 
 my jacket revealing my 2600 shirt, at which point Markoff (who was
 sitting at the end of the table closest to the microphone) and I
 exchanged grins.

 Macki:  My question is for John Markoff. First I would like to say that I
 enjoyed your talk entitled "Kevin and Me" which didn't mention Kevin at
 all [laughter] I hope it's the beginning of a trend.

 Markoff [I think]:      That was intentional
 Diffie [I think]:       He had to.

 [Applauds]

 Macki:  It's fitting - perhaps ironic that we're at the computer history
 talk, and I can think of no other individual who has done more to
 obfuscate that history. [Scattered chuckles] Your July 4th, 1994 article
 on Kevin Mitnick ah contained many things, w
 hich you now must know are false. Such as his break-in, or alleged
 break-in to NORAD - which never happened and other things which have
 been repeated for the last six years in the media as fact, when we all
 know they are all are not. My question to you is
  why hasn't you - why haven't you issued a retraction and do you still
 stand by those claims as you said to Ziff Davis recently. [Applauds]

 Markoff:        Is this an audience or a lynch mob? [Laughter and shouting]

 Macki:  Kevin couldn't be here to defend himself so-

 Markoff:        Well I, you know, I knew this question would come up and I
 really don't have a lot to say, um I simply note the fact that uh the
 person you are refering to was uh testified infront of the senate uh
 several weeks ago where he described himself as 
 a social-engineer uh who worked as a private investigator for several
 years uh it's my understanding that's why the FBI became interested in
 1993. So I think that sort of the heart of your question is that Kevin's
 problem is me-

 Macki:  No that's not it-

 Markoff:        -based on- -I beg to differ with you-

 Macki:  [still interrupting] that's not it you printed false things about
 him, and haven't retracted them and haven't backed them up. I want my
 question answered.

 Markoff:        [interrupting towards the end] you know, you know I beg to
 differ with you. I did not print false things about him.

 Macki:  [after receiving a subtle reprimand from the release form person
 that "you have to let him answer the question"] So you are claiming now
 that Kevin Mitnick broke into NORAD?

 Markoff:        I think that's what you said.

 Macki:  [holding up print out of the article] well that's what you said
 in your article.

 Markoff:        The NORAD- the NORAD point is an interesting one. My source on
 NORAD was Steven Robes. Uh and Steven Robes told me that, in an
 interview, Steven Robes in case you don't know is a friend of Kevin's,
 late 1970's and early 80's. And that fact was re
 ported earlier than I had reported in the LA Times. Um but I don't think
 that's what the issue is really. Um I think the issue is what was going
 on in the fall of 1993 while he was on probation. When he attracted the
 attention ultimately of four law enfor
 cement agencies - why do you think he did that?

 [Silence]

 Macki:  Why did he want to attr-

 Markoff:        Why would four law enforcement agencies interested in what he
 was doing?

 [Pause]

 Cliff Stoll [I think]: Because he was such a nice guy.

 [Laughter and applauds]

 Markoff: [Interrupting as Macki begins to respond] No the question is,
 was it the story in the New York Times in 1994, July 1994, which was
 Kevin's problem or was it what Kevin was doing? I believe it was
 [inaudible]-

 Macki:  [Now given an opportunity to move on to point 2] Well what I-
 well what I would like to know is why was the reporter that was
 following him also actively participating in the investigation?

 Markoff:        That's not right-

 Macki:  Joe Orsak was recorded in two books, two separate books, Joe
 Orsak cellular technition said-

 Markoff:        That was inaccurate.

 Macki:  They used their car so-

 Markoff: That was inaccurate.

 Macki:  Two books-

 Markoff:        That was inaccurate.

 Macki:  So, two books, both wrong, Joe Orsak made it up?

 Markoff:        That's that's not what Joe Orsak said.

 [voice says "okay" scattered "that's enough" type "next question" things
 said.]

 Macki: What about when you talked to John Littman-

 Voice: I think we've heard enough-

 [Wide spread clamoring for me to stop]

 Moderator:      We've had one question and we've had one answer, may we have
 the next question?

 Macki returns to his seat triumphant and enjoying nods of approval from
 audience members along the way.